 |
 |
 |
 |
 |
 |
|||||||||||
|
|||||||||||||||||
|
 Discussion Forums
 Classical Corner
 Odd double tone--typical of nylon strings?
|
 UBBFriend: Email This Page to Someone! |
next newest topic | next oldest topic |
| Author | Topic: Odd double tone--typical of nylon strings? |
|
esiegel Member |
posted 04-12-2004 07:18 PM
   
I have played about a dozen nylon string guitars with cutaways. They all have, in greater or lesser degree, an odd doubling of notes, particularly in the F# on the D string. I thought I must be imagining it, until a trip into Rudy's on 48th street in Manhattan. When I started to mention this to a knowledgeable sales person there, he said that he noticed it on all of their guitars as well. These included a Rodriguez B, a Takamine 32xx, a Martin, an Alhambra. I have no classical technique, so perhaps that is the issue. Is this something others have experienced? Thanks in Advance: Eric |
|
Dave Markle Member |
posted 04-12-2004 09:06 PM
Could you explain in more detail what you mean by 'doubling'? Is it a sympathetic resonance on another string? Is it a buzz caused by your fingertip not near enough to the fret? Is it a tone of a different timbre? Some guitars have a noticeable "hot spot" around G or G# owing to the Hemholtz resonance--I suppose it could be at F# instead, but I have never encountered it. Since the volume of the soundbox on a cutaway guitar is smaller, it might change the pitch of that resonance (the resonance is a function of the volume and of the area of the soundhole). Try playing F#, G, and G# on the second string--it is usually more noticable there in that register. Cheers, Dave |
|
ilf Member |
posted 04-13-2004 02:02 AM
From what you describe you have a main top frequenzy problem .The main top frequenzy lies arund F# G and G# on the 4 string,and is known to make trouble on better guitars. On mine it caused a very bad short buzzing tone on the F# and G which imidiatly were taking over by the next octave over. Al Carruther helped me and others here suggesting placing a piece of Blu tac on the bridge either on the treble side or on the bass side(mine). some experimentention is needed , but the end result was amazing on my guitar, not only did I get rid of the bad tones but the balance (eveness) on the trebles is much much better. ilf |
|
esiegel Member |
posted 04-13-2004 03:55 AM
In the worse case, the first martin I tried, this sympathetic buzz was all over the place. It turns out it was--missing a brace! The second martin I tried had it only on the F# I described. The others also had it only on the F#. It is a tone most obvious if you fret a little too far to the nut side of the fret and play with a little extra vigor and with the meat of your finger. The tone is a few cents flat from the original note, at volume that varies from blatant to subtle. I will try the blu tac idea. Did Al Carruthers mention this solution in this forum? If so, can anyone point to the thread for me? Thanks so much for your insights. Eric |
|
ilf Member |
posted 04-13-2004 01:30 PM
The issue has been discussed here, I had help from the yahoo classical guitar group.I tried to find the threads but had no luck I guess Frank2b can remember the last disskussion one of his guitar had some problems. I found this seeking for alcarruth it covers some of the tema. http://www.acousticguitar.com/ubb/Forum7/HTML/003275-2.html ilf |
|
scottw44 Member |
posted 04-13-2004 02:03 PM
FWIW, I hit the old F# on the fourth string on my Wechter Florentine Cutaway, as well as all over the fret board. No issues, no ghost tones. I had a loose pick up wire that I think was bothered by G played on the 5th string, but I do not remember. Once we got that wire harness secured, the issue disappeared. scott |
All times are PT (US) | next newest topic | next oldest topic |
  |
|
Powered by Infopop www.infopop.com © 2000
Ultimate Bulletin Board 5.45c