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Calbrit3! Member |
posted 02-04-2004 07:22 PM
   
Has anyone got a guitar that emits a wolf tone. If so, please can you post a link to a recording of said Wolf Tone. I would like to hear what one sounds like so that I can listen out for such a thing when test driving acoustic and classical. Grant |
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FrankB2 Member |
posted 02-04-2004 07:59 PM
You'll know it when you hear it. It's especially noticeable on bass notes. Just start at the first fret on the bass E, and play each fret. If one note seems to have noticeably less sustain, and a THUD sound, you've found it. To confirm it (for example a G note on the 3rd fret of the bass E, play the same note on the A string 7th fret. Play the note on either side of the suspect note, and you should notice substantially better response and sustain. F# is biggy, and that one makes me nutty. Look mostly between F and A notes. Have Fun, Frank |
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Calbrit3! Member |
posted 02-04-2004 08:12 PM
Thanks Frank - I still want to hear one though - just to be sure! |
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FrankB2 Member |
posted 02-04-2004 08:54 PM
WOOF!!!  The first thing I do when shopping(after checking the price tag ), is playan F# on the D string. That's the biggy. My Aria exhibits a little *woofiness* on the open A string, and the Concerto on the bass E strings 3rd fret. No big deal in either case, as picking a little more lightly will solve the problem. It's the F# on the D string that I could never adjust to. These notes are louder, BTW, but you might miss that aspect due to the short sustain. Grab a Martin dread, and play the F# on the D string. Chances are you'll recognize immediately. Frank |
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Ucdcrush Member |
posted 02-05-2004 01:55 PM
What is it called when you're playing on one string, and that sets another string vibrating (and making noise)? |
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dbirch Member |
posted 02-05-2004 02:34 PM
Frank and All I just tried out the 'G' on my base 'E String', and it is discernably 'thuddier' than the surrounding notes - but nothing severs. But when I went to the suspect F# on the D string, there was no discernable difference between the E, F, & F#. Have i just got bad hearing, or it it possible this is not a problem on my guitar (a concerto)? Desmond |
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ilf Member |
posted 02-05-2004 02:46 PM
Your hearing on the sixt string is probably right. As I understand it your G on the sixt string i disturbed by what is called the Main air frequence, which for guitars is in the area F# G on the low E- The F# or the g on the D strting is often disturbed by the main top frequency, which your guitar dont seem to suffer from. find the post her from al carruthe and read his article through andyou may find some help- Ilf |
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RAM Member |
posted 02-05-2004 03:29 PM
Yes, play that G on the 10th fret on your A string, and it will be a little more obviously a bit of a thud. If your main air and main top resonance get close together, the problems with the 6th string G or F# and 4th/3rd string G or F# (or something close to that) will be worse. That's what I learned from Al and others. Rene |
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Paul Hostetter Member |
posted 02-05-2004 07:53 PM
Here we go again. I tell ya, for the fretted world, the term "wolf" has become a complete wastebasket of nonsense. For some people it’s the sound of a string rattling on the first fret because the nut slot is too low. For others it’s the sound of the afterlength or the segment of string between the tuner and the nut singing a little song. For others it’s a dead spot somewhere on the fingerboard, or a frequency cancellation of some sort. Which is vaguely close to meaning something. Hardly anything people like to call wolf notes are wolf notes. Wolfs are exaggerated *second and discordant* notes unique to bowed instruments, mostly cellos and basses. An example of a real and fairly common wolf is: play an F and get both an F and an F#, the beats fighting it out under a bow and in your ear. In order for the terminology to mean anything, it has to applicable to a fairly specific phenomenon, not just *any* acoustic anomaly. It’s the tendency of people to misappropriate terms like this, and while I understand it, I think better terminology is in order. ("Wow man, I don’t know what it is, it’s making really really scary threatening noises, it. . . it must be. . .OH NO!. . . it’s a WOLF!") Not every funny sound or sonic anomaly is a wolf, and to indiscriminately call these other phenomena that just diminishes the value of a very specific and useful term that has nothing to do with phase cancellation, buzzes, bad strings, whatever. And by the bye, the term is simply "wolf," maybe wolf *note* but never wolf *tone*. To insist on avoiding a good description of an acoustic phenomenon on a fretted instrument by simply throwing the unspecified sound in the wastebasket called "wolf" means you’ll never sort it out. Trying to articulate the issue in comprehensible terms is much more useful. To which I’ll add (once again): there is no wolf in fretted instruments. There are a lot of anomalies and irritating sounds, but the term wolf doesn’t come close to describing anything. Let’s get specific, and maybe something useful will emerge. |
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Calbrit3! Member |
posted 02-05-2004 07:57 PM
I'm sorry I asked! (but thanks for the info.) |
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Pauline Leland Moderator |
posted 02-05-2004 08:01 PM
Oh-oh, the peeve of Paul.  We were moving toward coyote, fox, and barking dog a few topics ago, but it slipped away. |
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FrankB2 Member |
posted 02-05-2004 08:02 PM
Hi Paul, I've been waiting for you to respond to all of this . You've been silent too long. Notice that I used "woof", due to yourprevious explanations. Christopher Parkening warns not to buy a guitar with any "wolf" notes in his instructional book. I guess he's talking about *dead*, *thuddy*, *sustain challenged* notes. Frank |
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FrankB2 Member |
posted 02-05-2004 08:04 PM
Don't be sorry Grant . Paul is a bowed instrument expert, and the term "wolf" isused by that community as meaning something entirely different. Paul is a stickler for details, and I like that quality. Frank |
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Calbrit3! Member |
posted 02-05-2004 08:11 PM
OK - let's invent our own terms for unusual noises from fretted instruments. I'll start! How about: "doof"- A dead note .......................!! |
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FrankB2 Member |
posted 02-05-2004 08:28 PM
It's a start |
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