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Topic: guitar tuned 1/2 step down
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riffmeister Member
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posted 12-27-2003 10:39 PM
'78 spruce/indian Velazquez with high tension Savarez Corum Alliance.Sounds VERY NICE! (fatter) I think I'll keep it this way for a while! |
FrankB2 Member
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posted 12-28-2003 06:27 AM
Hmmmm...the local Sam Ash keeps all of their acoustics (steel and nylon) tuned 1/2 step down. My guess was that it makes them easier to play for beginners in the store, AND the "fat" tone you mentioned. Frank P.S. My mother gave my 7 yr old nephew a $20 steel string for Xmas. I tuned it to concert pitch for him, and then realized that a DADGAD tuning would be just right for a boy with no lessons. The guitar is a child's size type, but it's a real cannon! He loved the tuning, and I showed him a couple of strumming patterns. He couldn't put it down for hours. I had a small Swiss army knife with me, and showed him how to use it as a slide. The kid loved that as well. Another guitarist has joined our ranks ! I saw him the next morning heading off to his other grandparents' house, and he had the guitar strapped to his back in it's gig bag. Pretty sweet deal for the money. [This message has been edited by FrankB2 (edited 12-28-2003).] |
Strungout Member
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posted 12-28-2003 08:03 AM
I find some guitars (steel and nylon) sound better half a step or a step down.Sometimes it helps to use thicker strings when tuning down. In fact, I use an old Martin parlour guitar strung with hard tension strings and tune it two full half steps down. The strings are a bit floppier but this arrangement makes the guitar sound huge, the bases remain very clear and focused. I once read that Montoya used to tune three half steps down and then use a capo on the third fret to bring the whole thing up to normal tuning. This arrangement worked for him. Marc |
PERF2 Member
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posted 12-28-2003 08:32 AM
1/2 down tuning is pretty common among rock guitarists, Hendrix and SRV among the famous ones. It makes for a heavier sound, flexible strings for bendies and a relaxed range for vocals.In the CG world, I vaguely recall reading about Barrios tuning 1/2 step down. I also read about Segovia tuning down 1/2 step for his premiere performance of Bach's Chaconne. As for Carlos Montoya, he did tune down to get standard tuning when he capoed, in effect he also loosened the strings to enable him to do those one handed ligado runs. PERF |
Pauline Leland Moderator
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posted 12-28-2003 09:37 AM
Another effect of Montoya's tuning down and capoing up is a very short scale length. |
D Norton Member
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posted 12-28-2003 09:46 AM
Our present international pitch-standard of A=440 wasn't established until shortly before WWII. It was lower in the days when Segovia, Barrios, Montoya, and others were learning their craft. Therefore the A/440 pitch sounded "sharp" to their ears, and they had a tendency to tune to the "A of childhood" throughout their careers.Karl Scheit, the Viennese CG teacher and performer, released 2 LPs in the late 1950s with his Hauser guitar pitched lower. The result is, as riffmeister indicates, a "fatter sound". A part of this _could_ be due to our XXI century ears being so accustomed to the A/440 pitch and the sound of the open CG strings; the lower pitch stimulates different auditory nerves so there is a correspondingly different perception. FWIW, DN |
jdd Member
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posted 12-28-2003 02:29 PM
I think I've read here that concert A was at one time 415hz. Does anyone know, for example, the frequency of a Gb (or G) when a guitar is tuned to A=440? |
JetCup Member
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posted 12-31-2003 08:51 AM
I tune two whole steps down. I find it gives a dark tone that I love.†jpay<>< |
dofrenzy Member
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posted 01-02-2004 01:47 PM
Stevie Ray Vaughan played with his guitar tuned 1/2 step down to ease up on the string tension. FYI |
jlody Member
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posted 01-09-2004 10:16 AM
jdd,G# is 415.30 (half-step down), which is very close to the previous concert pitch of 415. G is 392. John
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Kapsberger Member
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posted 01-09-2004 12:32 PM
quote: Originally posted by dofrenzy:
Stevie Ray Vaughan played with his guitar tuned 1/2 step down to ease up on the string tension. FYI
Yup. I read that he used really thick strings (although I'm forgetting the diameters now)--he liked having cables on that axe of his, and you can certainly hear why on his records. Actually, the last time I was at a Sam Ash, I found that they tuned some strings down 1/2, others up a quarter step, a few others down a full third, etc.  |