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riffmeister
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posted 12-27-2003 10:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for riffmeister     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
'78 spruce/indian Velazquez with high tension Savarez Corum Alliance.

Sounds VERY NICE! (fatter)

I think I'll keep it this way for a while!

FrankB2
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posted 12-28-2003 06:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FrankB2   Click Here to Email FrankB2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmmmm...the local Sam Ash keeps all of their
acoustics (steel and nylon) tuned 1/2
step down. My guess was that it makes them
easier to play for beginners in the store,
AND the "fat" tone you mentioned.

Frank
P.S. My mother gave my 7 yr old nephew a $20
steel string for Xmas. I tuned it to concert
pitch for him, and then realized that a
DADGAD tuning would be just right for a boy
with no lessons. The guitar is a child's size
type, but it's a real cannon! He loved the
tuning, and I showed him a couple of strumming patterns. He couldn't put it down
for hours. I had a small Swiss army knife with me, and showed him how to use it as a
slide. The kid loved that as well. Another
guitarist has joined our ranks ! I saw him
the next morning heading off to his other
grandparents' house, and he had the guitar
strapped to his back in it's gig bag. Pretty
sweet deal for the money.

[This message has been edited by FrankB2 (edited 12-28-2003).]

Strungout
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posted 12-28-2003 08:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Strungout     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I find some guitars (steel and nylon) sound better half a step or a step down.

Sometimes it helps to use thicker strings when tuning down.

In fact, I use an old Martin parlour guitar strung with hard tension strings and tune it two full half steps down. The strings are a bit floppier but this arrangement makes the guitar sound huge, the bases remain very clear and focused.

I once read that Montoya used to tune three half steps down and then use a capo on the third fret to bring the whole thing up to normal tuning. This arrangement worked for him.

Marc

PERF2
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posted 12-28-2003 08:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PERF2   Click Here to Email PERF2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
1/2 down tuning is pretty common among rock guitarists, Hendrix and SRV among the famous ones. It makes for a heavier sound, flexible strings for bendies and a relaxed range for vocals.

In the CG world, I vaguely recall reading about Barrios tuning 1/2 step down. I also read about Segovia tuning down 1/2 step for his premiere performance of Bach's Chaconne.

As for Carlos Montoya, he did tune down to get standard tuning when he capoed, in effect he also loosened the strings to enable him to do those one handed ligado runs.

PERF

Pauline Leland
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posted 12-28-2003 09:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Pauline Leland   Click Here to Email Pauline Leland     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Another effect of Montoya's tuning down and capoing up is a very short scale length.

D Norton
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posted 12-28-2003 09:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for D Norton   Click Here to Email D Norton     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Our present international pitch-standard of A=440 wasn't established until shortly before WWII. It was lower in the days when Segovia, Barrios, Montoya, and others were learning their craft. Therefore the A/440 pitch sounded "sharp" to their ears, and they had a tendency to tune to the "A of childhood" throughout their careers.

Karl Scheit, the Viennese CG teacher and performer, released 2 LPs in the late 1950s with his Hauser guitar pitched lower. The result is, as riffmeister indicates, a "fatter sound". A part of this _could_ be due to our XXI century ears being so accustomed to the A/440 pitch and the sound of the open CG strings; the lower pitch stimulates different auditory nerves so there is a correspondingly different perception.

FWIW,

DN

jdd
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posted 12-28-2003 02:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jdd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think I've read here that concert A was at one time 415hz. Does anyone know, for example, the frequency of a Gb (or G) when a guitar is tuned to A=440?

JetCup
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posted 12-31-2003 08:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for JetCup   Click Here to Email JetCup     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I tune two whole steps down. I find it gives a dark tone that I love.

†jpay<><

dofrenzy
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posted 01-02-2004 01:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dofrenzy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Stevie Ray Vaughan played with his guitar tuned 1/2 step down to ease up on the string tension. FYI

jlody
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posted 01-09-2004 10:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jlody   Click Here to Email jlody     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
jdd,

G# is 415.30 (half-step down), which is very close to the previous concert pitch of 415. G is 392.

John

Kapsberger
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posted 01-09-2004 12:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kapsberger   Click Here to Email Kapsberger     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by dofrenzy:

Stevie Ray Vaughan played with his guitar tuned 1/2 step down to ease up on the string tension. FYI


Yup. I read that he used really thick strings (although I'm forgetting the diameters now)--he liked having cables on that axe of his, and you can certainly hear why on his records.

Actually, the last time I was at a Sam Ash, I found that they tuned some strings down 1/2, others up a quarter step, a few others down a full third, etc.

All times are PT (US)

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