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Trina
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posted 12-04-2003 11:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Trina   Click Here to Email Trina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Rolling Stones staff didn't appear to listen to a whole lot of R&B either. How and heck do you not have something from Isley Brothers nor Aretha Franklin! "I Never Loved a Man the Way I Do You" for instance. I could go own but I'm too upset.

outfidel
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posted 12-04-2003 11:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for outfidel   Click Here to Email outfidel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jdub2:
Then there was the fact that dylan introduced them to pot . . .

Yes! A landmark cultural event captured by Mark Shipper in Paperback Writer.


bolero
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posted 12-04-2003 12:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bolero   Click Here to Email bolero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Trina--Aretha's "Never Loved A Man..." was #83 and "Lady Soul" was #84. That's a little far down on the list for me and apparently for you, too.

Trina
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posted 12-04-2003 03:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Trina   Click Here to Email Trina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Originally posted by bolero:
Trina--Aretha's "Never Loved A Man..." was #83 and "Lady Soul" was #84. That's a little far down on the list for me and apparently for you, too.

Hehehehe. Thanks Bolero. I stand corrected. I was thumbing through my issue. Now that I've collected my emotions; I shall calmly read all of R.S. 500 choices. Now. Why in the #%@*! is Aretha albums #83 and #84.

SteveB
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posted 12-04-2003 05:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveB   Click Here to Email SteveB     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What's with all this slagging of Brian Wilson? The man's mental state is fragile, but he is a genius when it comes to music. To argue this point is to argue the genius of Dylan,the Beatles, etc.- pointless!!!

alanhouston
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posted 12-04-2003 05:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for alanhouston     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Trina:
Originally posted by bolero:
Trina--Aretha's "Never Loved A Man..." was #83 and "Lady Soul" was #84. That's a little far down on the list for me and apparently for you, too.

Hehehehe. Thanks Bolero. I stand corrected. I was thumbing through my issue. Now that I've collected my emotions; I shall calmly read all of R.S. 500 choices. Now. Why in the #%@*! is Aretha albums #83 and #84.


This is the THIRD time "Rolling Stone" has done a "Greatest Album" issue, that I know of. And, each time, the top of the list is dominated by white male performers from the 1960's. That is a reflection of WHO owns and edits "Rolling Stone", but it NOT a reflection of reality.

The highest ranking album by a solo woman performer is number THIRTY: Joni Mitchell's "Blue". Only one other woman, Carole King, even made the top eighty.

What about Gladys Knight, Diana Ross and the Supremes, Dionne Warwick, Roberta Flack, Brenda Lee, Janis Joplin, Barbra Streisand, Tina Turner or Whitney Houston? Not even ONE album by ANY of them made the top eighty albums?

So, it is really the "500 Greatest Albums of All Time", NOT counting lots and lots of great albums made by the women RS has overlooked. Again. As usual.

Guitar Jim
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posted 12-04-2003 05:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Guitar Jim   Click Here to Email Guitar Jim     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When Rolling Stone say "Greatest Albums" what they really mean is "Greatest Pop/Rock Albums".
There's been a whole world of recorded music styles out there for the past 80 or so years that the masses basically ignore or don't care about.

jps
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posted 12-04-2003 06:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jps   Click Here to Email jps     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lists like this are fun, but RS basically did it to make money, not to entertain us. Note how the mag is filled with ads for the top 500 albums, with the advertisers apparently served up the list before it was published.

bluepoet
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posted 12-04-2003 08:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluepoet     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Rolling Stone Mag sold out many years ago, which is when I stopped subscribing...they actually used to be THE best conduit for music of the rock/pop/soul variety. Then the sons of the 60s radicals took over, and made it into Tiger Beat.

This so-called Top 500 list is nothing more than a marketing ploy to increase circulation to a wider demographic...

Bluesboy
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posted 12-05-2003 06:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bluesboy   Click Here to Email Bluesboy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can't argue with the top 10 list. Although, I'm surprised that "Abbey Road" didn't rank as high as the others. I think that's one rock and roll's greatest masterpieces. Sgt. Peppers, Rubber SOul and Revolver are also fantastic. The White Album has some good stuff on it but it also has lots of trash (Wild Honey Pie, Why Don't We Do It In The Road, Bungalow Bill). It sounds like the crap that people record when they are a) too stoned to know better, or b) they're rellay bored. In any case, much of it is a waste of good vinyl, IMHO. It would have been better if they had kept it to one ablum with the following tunes:

- Dear Prudence
- While My Guitar Gently Weeps
- Back in the USSR
- Honey Pie
- Obladee, Oblada
- Helter Skelter
- Blackbird
- Martha My Dear
- Yer Blues
- Mother Nature's Son
- Revolution

I'm speaking from the heart as a true blue Beatles fanatic from the way back. Disagree? Then let the flaming begin.

BegF
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posted 12-05-2003 07:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BegF     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Where can you view the list ?

Did Astral Weeks get a mention ?

outfidel
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posted 12-05-2003 07:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for outfidel   Click Here to Email outfidel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's the list. Astral Weeks came in at #19.

doodahman
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posted 12-05-2003 07:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for doodahman   Click Here to Email doodahman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Fantastic Expedition of Dillard & Clark should be on the list but, alas, it's not.

No whine, just fact.

jdub2
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posted 12-05-2003 08:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jdub2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Guitar Jim:
When Rolling Stone say "Greatest Albums" what they really mean is "Greatest Pop/Rock Albums".
There's been a whole world of recorded music styles out there for the past 80 or so years that the masses basically ignore or don't care about.

Actually, they've got some Jazz albums (Coltrane - A Love Supreme (47) and Miles Davis Kind of Blue (12) Bitches' Brew (4))

Fleetwood Mac is at 25, partly on the strength of Stevie Nicks (a woman).

I think it's hard to do such lists well. Everyone gets upset by them. I agree, many great albums were left off. Perhaps they should have done different categories: Pop/Rock, Jazz, R&B etc. But then we'd fight over who goes where.

In my top 500 albums, I'd have very few by women. Not a big fan of music made by women (to date). Not denying the role played by women in rock and pop, just the role they played in my personal music listening taste. The point is, these lists are inherently personal and eclectic. And, quite honestly, a bit silly.

Sport
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posted 12-05-2003 04:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sport     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If Sgt. Peppers' changed the paradigm
then who/what was the catalyst for that shift?

I submit it was Brian Wilson and his ground-breaking "Pet Sounds" album. None of this
music was being created in a vaccuum.
Brian Wilson was well established as a
successful and innovative writer/producer
by the time the Beatles were looking to
shift their musical focus. Guess whose
music they were influenced by?

This is not to take away from The Beatles or
anyone else who was influenced creatively by
others. It is true,though,that Brian Wilson
was doing some amazing things in the studio
in the early and mid sixties.


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