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Howard Klepper
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posted 11-27-2003 10:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Howard Klepper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Since people are so extravagant in their bashing of this product, I'd like to mention that in the early 1970's, I reglued dozens of bridges with liquid hide glue, and never had one come back loose. I always heated it on a hotplate in a water bath, and reheated the same bottle over and over until it was gone. I also heated the underside of the bridge with a lamp. Other repair people I knew did the same, without problems.

Paul Hostetter
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posted 11-28-2003 05:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Paul Hostetter   Click Here to Email Paul Hostetter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There used to be a violin repair guy in San Jose who made the same claim, but I sure saw lots of his instruments in my shop needing to have that stuff washed out after his repairs gave out, so that I could redo them with a more substantial version of the glue. By industry standards, bottled hide glue is mucilage, not quite glue. If the joinery is real good and things don't go too awry, I’m sure that stuff will hold for a long time. But I have seen way too much stuff done with it that really didn’t hold. And often the person with the falling-apart instrument won’t go back to the person who did it in the first place, they go elsewhere.

[This message has been edited by Paul Hostetter (edited 11-28-2003).]

Howard Klepper
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posted 11-29-2003 07:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Howard Klepper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I posted data, Paul, not interpretation. But now I'm curious about how glue and mucilage are defined, and by whom.

Mario Proulx
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posted 11-29-2003 10:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mario Proulx   Click Here to Email Mario Proulx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

\Mu"ci*lage\, n. [F., from L. mucilago a musty juice,
fr. mucus mucus, slime. See {Mucus}.]
1. (Bot. Chem.) A gummy or gelatinous substance produced in certain plants by the action of water on the cell wall, as in the seeds of quinces, of flax, etc.

2. An aqueous solution of gum, or of substances allied to it; as, medicinal mucilage; mucilage for fastening envelopes.

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Sounds quite different than the collagen that hide glue is.
Now, I'm not sure if the liquid stuff is indeed mucilage, but beyond that, beyond everything else you can say for it, it does not have a flawless track record that goes very far back. Bob Benedetto once wrote of how he had a bunch of fretboards come loose years later, while he was using it. We hear many such stories by folks with very creditable backgrounds. Yes, we also hear success stories from other also creditable folks(like Howard), but the fact remains that there are horror stories. Yet, horror stories for properly prepared and used fresh hot hide glue aren't to be found. If the joint was sound, and is still such 2 weeks later, it'll be so for a long, long time. We don't have to worry about the date of manufacture, we don't have to worry about manufacturing inconsistencies. We control it.

And there's just no beating a 5000+ year old track record!

Mario


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