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califlefty
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posted 03-17-2004 01:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for califlefty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As a Heritage Guitar owner I always knew I had a "real" Les Paul anyway!

JM
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posted 03-17-2004 01:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JM     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Sidheguitarist:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by dberkowitz:
[b]...But lets not just slam them for being big...


My sense is that they are actually being slammed for being rapacious.

But that is only my opinion.
-MM[/B][/QUOTE]

Rapacious. Good word.

DaveWendler
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posted 03-17-2004 02:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DaveWendler   Click Here to Email DaveWendler     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This article from the Nashville newspaper helps give some insight...it's almost four years old though.
http://www.tennessean.com/sii/00/05/28/gibson28.shtml

celticman
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posted 03-17-2004 03:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for celticman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by DaveWendler:
This article from the Nashville newspaper helps give some insight...it's almost four years old though.

thanks for the article dave....that sheds A LOT of light on things!

LittleBrother
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posted 03-17-2004 04:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LittleBrother     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by celticman:
thanks for the article dave....that sheds A LOT of light on things!

Yep and this line says it ALL !

"Juszkiewicz bought in 1986 the company that became Gibson Musical Instruments, with fellow Harvard MBA classmates"

They still think profit is the number one responsibility and they are just to stupid to realize a good product, happy employees, clear plan, great product and quality is what you have to have FIRST BEFORE YOU CAN BE PROFITABLE. If you cant do that then go run a car dealership like he should be doing !

LittleBrother
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posted 03-17-2004 04:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LittleBrother     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by celticman:
thanks for the article dave....that sheds A LOT of light on things!

Yep and this line says it ALL !

"Juszkiewicz bought in 1986 the company that became Gibson Musical Instruments, with fellow Harvard MBA classmates"

They still think profit is the number one responsibility and they are just to stupid to realize a good product, happy employees, clear plan, great product and quality is what you have to have FIRST BEFORE YOU CAN BE PROFITABLE. If you cant do that then go run a car dealership like he should be doing !

daved
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posted 03-17-2004 04:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for daved     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As the owner of both Gibson and PRS electric guitars, let there be no mistake in identifying the two. The PRS stands heads above the Gibson, especially in the tone department, which is what really counts. While a PRS can sound like a Gibson, a Gibson will never sound like a PRS, no matter what they look like

JM
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posted 03-17-2004 05:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JM     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I remember reading that article a few years back.
I am encouraged by the changes I have seen over the years at Gibson, with what appears to be a real effort to improve quality. I hope that Gibson's management has the ability and focus to continue that trend-and worry that it may not.

Fingertwister
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posted 03-18-2004 02:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fingertwister     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"He understands the price of everything - and the value of nothing" (O Wilde) - could have been written about the gentleman in question..

shakeyeyes
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posted 03-18-2004 12:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shakeyeyes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
PRS is a whiny b*tch.

John Mayes
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Seems to me the People over at PRS are not the ones whining. They are just defending their product that they, as well as many others, feel is different than the Les Paul and should not be subject to the blasting that Gibson is doing. I still don't think the guitars in question look a lot alike.

John Mayes
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Seems to me the People over at PRS are not the ones whining. They are just defending their product that they, as well as many others, feel is different than the Les Paul and should not be subject to the blasting that Gibson is doing. I still don't think the guitars in question look a lot alike.

shakeyeyes
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posted 03-18-2004 01:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shakeyeyes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey, sorry if i offended anyone, i was just kidding around. i don't prefer gibson or prs - may the best guitar win.

adaam
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Seems to me that in the higher end market of Gibson and PRS, the consumer interested in either product would be VERY well educated in the guitar buying process and the difference between any and all makes and models that he or she was interested in. I can't think of anyone who would spend a couple of $K blindly, or on "looks" alone.
But, I guess in the world of business law, the can't regard such things as relevant. It just sounds like big business guarding their piece of the pie to me. Frank Ford made a statement on his website about Bob Taylor and his theories on guitar building (http://www.frets.com/FRETSPages/Luthier/Data/Guitar/Taylor/99NeckJoint/99joint.html).
Frank said something along the lines of when Bob Taylor came up with a new idea or technique, he was eager to share said technique or theory with his closest competitors, with the hopes of make the guitar building world a "better place for everyone." That's a great way to look at things, but that doesn't change the fact that there is a multimillion dollar lawsuit in the works and Gibson and PRS' lawyers are licking their chops as we speak.

my $0.02


-adaam

adaam
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Seems to me that in the higher end market of Gibson and PRS, the consumer interested in either product would be VERY well educated in the guitar buying process and the difference between any and all makes and models that he or she was interested in. I can't think of anyone who would spend a couple of $K blindly, or on "looks" alone.
But, I guess in the world of business law, the can't regard such things as relevant. It just sounds like big business guarding their piece of the pie to me. Frank Ford made a statement on his website about Bob Taylor and his theories on guitar building (http://www.frets.com/FRETSPages/Luthier/Data/Guitar/Taylor/99NeckJoint/99joint.html).
Frank said something along the lines of when Bob Taylor came up with a new idea or technique, he was eager to share said technique or theory with his closest competitors, with the hopes of make the guitar building world a "better place for everyone." That's a great way to look at things, but that doesn't change the fact that there is a multimillion dollar lawsuit in the works and Gibson and PRS' lawyers are licking their chops as we speak.

my $0.02


-adaam


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